{"id":12418,"date":"2020-05-28T21:22:34","date_gmt":"2020-05-29T04:22:34","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/?p=12418"},"modified":"2020-06-10T20:41:40","modified_gmt":"2020-06-11T03:41:40","slug":"hydrogen-from-dirty-and-clean-sources","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/hydrogen-from-dirty-and-clean-sources\/","title":{"rendered":"Hydrogen from Dirty and Clean Sources"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Hydrogen, the first element created from the Big Bang, is the lightest in the periodic table, has the atomic number 1, and is \u201cthe most abundant chemical substance in the universe.\u201d (Wikipedia).\u00a0 Until starting this blog entry, though, your editor was unaware that this colorless gas came in brown, blue, and green variants &#8211; referring to the methods used to extract h2.\u00a0 Hydrogen can be extracted from some fairly dirty sources, but the dirtiest may lead to an amazingly clean outcome, if we\u2019re to believe <a href=\"https:\/\/www.greencarcongress.com\/2020\/05\/20200521-sgh2.html\">what\u2019s happening in Lancaster, California.<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/environment\/2019\/apr\/08\/the-perfect-storm-woodside-energy-and-siemens-invest-in-australias-hydrogen-economy\"><em>The Guardian<\/em> reports,<\/a> \u201c<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Broadly, there are currently three ways to make hydrogen. Brown hydrogen is produced when the element is stripped out of fossil fuels such as coal, while blue hydrogen is produced from gas. Green hydrogen is produced from running an electric current through water using an electrolyser powered by renewable energy such as solar.\u201d\u00a0 (A simplified list)<\/span><\/p>\n<h4><b>Brown H2 from Brown and Black Coal<\/b><\/h4>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Brown coal has more oxygen than black coal as part of its makeup, making it more easily broken down in a gasification process.\u00a0 <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Explainer <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">lives up to its name. \u201c<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But to get a lot of hydrogen, the coal needs to be \u2018gasified\u2019 rather than burned, creating compounds that can then be reacted with water to make hydrogen. This is where the majority of hydrogen comes from in this case \u2013 not from the coal itself.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"New Hydrogen Economy - Coal and Oil\" width=\"500\" height=\"375\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/GvidaOGnKJc?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/theconversation.com\/explainer-how-do-we-make-hydrogen-from-coal-and-is-it-really-a-clean-fuel-94911\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Explainer <\/span><\/i><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">cautions,\u00a0 <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cHydrogen produced in this way is not a zero-emission fuel. Carbon dioxide is emitted through the combustion and thermal decomposition reactions, and is also a product of the reaction between carbon monoxide and water to make hydrogen and carbon dioxide.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<h4><b>Blue Hydrogen from Natural Gas\u00a0<\/b><\/h4>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Blue hydrogen undergoes much the same high-heat processing as brown H2 but starts with natural gas as a base material.\u00a0 As clean as the end product may be, one has to consider the release of methane and the pollution of aquifers that accompany hydraulic fracturing, or \u201cfracking,\u2018 used to release oil and gas from underground vaults.\u00a0 These are added \u201ccosts\u201d of every technology, and may not always be readily apparent.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.outsiderclub.com\/did-blue-gas-just-make-batteries-obsolete-\/94629\">Recent innovations in processing have brought prices down enough<\/a> to encourage investments in rolling stock by Amazon, BMW, Hyundai, Toyota and Kenworth.\u00a0 French train maker Alsttom takes blue H2\u2019s use to even larger applications.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Deloitte China makes this prediction.\u00a0 \u201cTo many commercial operators, \u2018blue gas\u2019 seems to be a complex and expensive technology for the future. However, we have proven through our deep research and proprietary model that [it] will become cheaper to run than traditional internal combustion vehicles or battery electric very soon. Sophisticated commercial operators around the world are already investing in this technology to stay one step ahead of the competition.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Comparing Batteries to H2<\/b><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnbc.com\/quotes\/?symbol=TSLA\">CNBC reports, &#8220;Tesla<\/a> co-founder and CEO Elon Musk has dismissed hydrogen fuel cells as &#8216;mind-bogglingly stupid,&#8217; and that is not the only negative thing he has had to say about the technology. He has called them &#8216;fool cells,&#8217; a &#8216;load of rubbish,&#8217; and told Tesla shareholders at an annual meeting years ago that &#8216;success is simply not possible.&#8217;\u201d<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"The Truth about Hydrogen\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/f7MzFfuNOtY?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><div id=\"attachment_15093\" style=\"width: 538px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/sustainableskies.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/clean-h2-costs.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-15093\" class=\"wp-image-15093 size-large\" src=\"http:\/\/sustainableskies.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/clean-h2-costs-528x263.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"528\" height=\"263\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-15093\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Calculated \u201cbreak-even price\u201d of renewable hydrogen for Germany (left) and Texas (right) compared to benchmark prices for hydrogen supply from fossil fuels not using CCS. For Germany, this assumes a waiving of the requirement for subsidies that renewable electricity be fed into the grid. The peak in 2020 for Texas is due to a phasing out of the production tax credit (PTC), a fixed credit per kWh of produced electricity. [Source: Glenk &amp; Reichelstein (2019)].\u00a0 NOTE:\u00a0 CCS = Carbon Capture and Storage<\/p><\/div>Another\u00a0 approach uses digester gas from sewage treatment to make natural gas, from which hydrogen can be extracted.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Natural Gas and Hydrogen Production\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/aPyAQSp8hXE?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<h4><b>Coming Soon<\/b><\/h4>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Our next entry will cover green hydrogen and a seemingly too-good-to-be-true approach that is better than carbon neutral.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<div id=\"facebook_like\"><iframe src=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/plugins\/like.php?href=http%3A%2F%2Fcafe.foundation%2Fblog%2Fhydrogen-from-dirty-and-clean-sources%2F&amp;layout=standard&amp;show_faces=true&amp;width=500&amp;action=like&amp;font=segoe+ui&amp;colorscheme=light&amp;height=80\" scrolling=\"no\" frameborder=\"0\" style=\"border:none; overflow:hidden; width:500px; height:80px;\" allowTransparency=\"true\"><\/iframe><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Hydrogen, the first element created from the Big Bang, is the lightest in the periodic table, has the atomic number 1, and is \u201cthe most abundant chemical substance in the universe.\u201d (Wikipedia).\u00a0 Until starting this blog entry, though, your editor was unaware that this colorless gas came in brown, blue, and green variants &#8211; referring [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[7555,6806,14],"tags":[10041,10042,10043,10044,10045,5733,10046,10047,5735,10048],"class_list":["post-12418","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","category-fuel-cells","category-hydrogen-fuel","category-sustainable_ga","tag-big-bang","tag-blue-hydrogen","tag-brown-hydrogen","tag-digester-gas","tag-electrolyzer","tag-gasification","tag-green-hydrogen","tag-hydrogen-extraction","tag-natural-gas","tag-periodic-table"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.7 - 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