{"id":8550,"date":"2013-12-30T14:10:05","date_gmt":"2013-12-30T21:10:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/?p=8550"},"modified":"2013-12-30T14:10:05","modified_gmt":"2013-12-30T21:10:05","slug":"less-expensive-batteries-may-lead-to-more-homebuilt-electric-airplanes","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/less-expensive-batteries-may-lead-to-more-homebuilt-electric-airplanes\/","title":{"rendered":"Less Expensive Batteries May Lead to More Homebuilt Electric Airplanes"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>It came as somewhat of a shock that high-quality lithium battery prices could drop low enough to encourage electric aircraft developers an opportunity to \u201cscrounge\u201d in the style of the original home-built airplane builders.\u00a0 Early aircraft \u201chome-builders\u201d often cannibalized war-surplus aircraft or wrecks of private planes for parts and materials that could be adapted into their own designs.\u00a0 Ground power units (GPUs), for instance, became an early supply point for engine cores that could be converted to aircraft use \u2013 possible on \u201cExperimental\u201d homebuilts, although frowned upon by the FAA for factory-builts.<\/p>\n<p>Your editor thought at one point that auto wrecking yards might provide a source of used batteries for experimental electric airplanes, but the thought of all the internal fracturing and potential for disaster with batteries of previously stable but now uncertain reliability cooled that enthusiasm.\u00a0 These batteries should not be used, but rather recycled.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_8551\" style=\"width: 538px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/battery-building-chevrolet-volt-battery_100323687_m.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-8551\" class=\"size-large wp-image-8551\" alt=\"Individual pouch cells go into modules, which go into the full Chevy Volt battery pack.  Tesla uses cylindrical cells.\" src=\"http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/battery-building-chevrolet-volt-battery_100323687_m-528x401.jpg\" width=\"528\" height=\"401\" srcset=\"http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/battery-building-chevrolet-volt-battery_100323687_m-528x401.jpg 528w, http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/battery-building-chevrolet-volt-battery_100323687_m-300x228.jpg 300w, http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/battery-building-chevrolet-volt-battery_100323687_m.jpg 610w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 528px) 100vw, 528px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-8551\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Individual pouch cells go into modules, which go into the full Chevy Volt battery pack. Tesla uses cylindrical cells.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>A <a href=\"http:\/\/www.greencarcongress.com\/2013\/12\/20131225-tokyo.html\">discussion in Green Car Congress<\/a> surprised with seemingly ultra-low, but verifiable prices on new batteries.\u00a0 As Bob Wallace, one of the discussers, noted, \u201cOn a GM Parts Store site a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gmpartsonline.net\/parts\/2012\/Chevrolet\/Volt\/Base\/?siteid=215055&amp;vehicleid=407591&amp;section=HYBRID%20COMPONENTS\">replacement battery for the 2012 Chevy Volt <\/a>is listed at $2,305.88. \u00a0No core (used battery) return required.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThat&#8217;s 16 [kilowatt hours]. $144.12\/kWh. Retail.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAnother <a href=\"http:\/\/www.partswebsite.com\/gm-car-parts\/?i=2&amp;make=116&amp;model=2635&amp;year=2012&amp;type=parts&amp;act=new_subcategory_hp&amp;section=26&amp;catid=10111&amp;subcatid=20018&amp;fl_id=56\">GM parts store is selling for $2,620<\/a>. $164\/kWh.\u201d<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_8554\" style=\"width: 538px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/battery-building-volt-drawing.gif\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-8554\" class=\"size-large wp-image-8554\" alt=\"Chevy Volt battery as shown as number 1 in GM's illustrated breakdown.  \" src=\"http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/battery-building-volt-drawing-528x522.gif\" width=\"528\" height=\"522\" srcset=\"http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/battery-building-volt-drawing-528x522.gif 528w, http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/battery-building-volt-drawing-300x296.gif 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 528px) 100vw, 528px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-8554\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Chevy Volt battery as shown as number 1 in GM&#8217;s illustrated breakdown.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Bob seems as incredulous as your editor.\u00a0 \u201cThese prices seem so low that they seem wrong. \u00a0(Certainly the platform only appearance of the part argues that batteries are not included &#8211; but pricing from Tesla shows a comparable price per kWh.) \u00a0My local Chevrolet dealer says there are three separate battery sections, with number 1 costing $1,359, 2 going for $1,103, and section 3 adding $1,863 for a total of $4,325. \u00a0Note that on-line prices have a large discount.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAt $120\/kWh (wholesale) a 200-mile range EV battery 65 kWh pack in a Tesla-sized car 65 (60 is the model designation Tesla uses) would cost under $8k. That&#8217;s not much more than the cost of an [internal combustion engine] and all its systems.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>That estimate is not even close, with a Tesla forum citing a $30,000 replacement cost for an 85 kWh pack, although a pre-paid alternative lowers that to $12,000. \u00a0Part of that is based on a ten-year service life and an anticipated replacement cost a decade out of about $15,000. \u00a0Tesla gets to invest the buyer&#8217;s money in the meantime.<\/p>\n<p>Tesla&#8217;s full price breaks down to $353 per killowatt hour, while the pre-paid amount would be \u00a0$141 &#8211; extremely competitive.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_8552\" style=\"width: 538px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/battery-building-tesla-cells.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-8552\" class=\"size-large wp-image-8552\" alt=\"7,000 cylindrical cells go into the Tesla S floorboards\" src=\"http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/battery-building-tesla-cells-528x327.jpg\" width=\"528\" height=\"327\" srcset=\"http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/battery-building-tesla-cells-528x327.jpg 528w, http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/battery-building-tesla-cells-300x185.jpg 300w, http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/battery-building-tesla-cells.jpg 704w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 528px) 100vw, 528px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-8552\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">As many as 7,000 cylindrical cells go into the Tesla S floorboards<\/p><\/div>\n<p>These prices would include only the battery package, and not the associated battery control module (probably similar to the battery management system \u2013 BMS \u2013 attached to most vehicle battery packs), cables and other support systems.\u00a0 Certainly one Volt battery could provide cells for several builders\u2019 projects, and a group might help teach and enable one another to create useable packs.<\/p>\n<p>Think of that as a way to scale up what <a href=\"http:\/\/www.inlandhobby.com\/v\/vspfiles\/files\/battery_pack\/building_rc_battery_packs.htm\">model builders have been doing<\/a> for at least a decade.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_8553\" style=\"width: 456px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/battery-building-DeWalt06.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-8553\" class=\"size-full wp-image-8553\" alt=\"A123 cells as they look when removed from power tool battery pack.  Illustration from SLKelectronics.com\" src=\"http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/battery-building-DeWalt06.jpg\" width=\"446\" height=\"264\" srcset=\"http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/battery-building-DeWalt06.jpg 446w, http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/battery-building-DeWalt06-300x177.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 446px) 100vw, 446px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-8553\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">A123 cells as they look when removed from power tool battery pack. Illustration from <em>SLKelectronics.com<\/em><\/p><\/div>\n<p>More than one enterprising person showed how to deconstruct a DeWalt 36-Volt power tool battery pack and reconfigure it as a pack for his model airplane. \u00a0 See two different approaches <a href=\"http:\/\/www.rcgroups.com\/forums\/showthread.php?t=599316\">here<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.slkelectronics.com\/DeWalt\/packs.htm\">here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/?p=8328\">Eva Hakansson<\/a> takes this into a much larger context, using the same A123 cells and putting together a 500-horsepower pack for her husband Bill Dube\u2019s Killacycle and a 400-hp pack for Killajoule, her salt-flat streamliner.<\/p>\n<p>The pair has even built an 850-hp pack for <a href=\"http:\/\/killacycleracing.com\/about-us\/products-and-services\/\">Lord Paul Drayson\u2019s Lola Le Mans Prototype<\/a> world record holder.<\/p>\n<p>A few caveats are in order.\u00a0 Some practices used in model battery packs may not work well at larger scales.\u00a0 Many model battery packs, and those used in cell phones and other mobile devices, come sealed in a tight plastic shrink wrap.\u00a0 Randall Fishman of<a href=\"http:\/\/www.electraflyer.com\/\"> ElectraFlyer <\/a>recommends avoiding this for \u201creal\u201d aircraft because of possibly hazardous heat buildup, and each cell in his packs is surrounded by lots of freely-flowing air.<\/p>\n<p>Anyone attempting this should study the many examples on the Internet and become familiar with safe operating practices.\u00a0 Eva Hakansson, for instance, wears a ceramic wedding ring to prevent inadvertent discharges while building packs.\u00a0 Learn industry standards for static protection and seek out help from knowledgeable individuals whenever possible.<\/p>\n<p>Do not even think about doing this unless you are willing to study and learn the skills necessary to accomplish this safely.\u00a0 Otherwise, several qualified people and enterprises will be happy to sell you a ready-to-go pack with BMS, charger, and all necessary cables.<\/p>\n<div id=\"facebook_like\"><iframe src=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/plugins\/like.php?href=http%3A%2F%2Fcafe.foundation%2Fblog%2Fless-expensive-batteries-may-lead-to-more-homebuilt-electric-airplanes%2F&amp;layout=standard&amp;show_faces=true&amp;width=500&amp;action=like&amp;font=segoe+ui&amp;colorscheme=light&amp;height=80\" scrolling=\"no\" frameborder=\"0\" style=\"border:none; overflow:hidden; width:500px; height:80px;\" allowTransparency=\"true\"><\/iframe><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It came as somewhat of a shock that high-quality lithium battery prices could drop low enough to encourage electric aircraft developers an opportunity to \u201cscrounge\u201d in the style of the original home-built airplane builders.\u00a0 Early aircraft \u201chome-builders\u201d often cannibalized war-surplus aircraft or wrecks of private planes for parts and materials that could be adapted into [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[15,14],"tags":[371,431,4636,368,1626,2140,4639,4637,292,367,4635,2474,369,370,4640,3701,4638,49,4641,4642,2034],"class_list":["post-8550","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","category-electric_powerplants","category-sustainable_ga","tag-a123-batteries","tag-battery-management-system","tag-battery-replacement-costs","tag-bill-dube","tag-bms","tag-chevy-volt","tag-cylindrical-cells","tag-dewalt-36-volt-power-tool-battery-pack","tag-electraflyer","tag-eva-hakansson","tag-general-motors","tag-gm","tag-killacycle","tag-killajoule","tag-lola-le-mans-prototype","tag-lord-paul-drayson","tag-pouch-cells","tag-randall-fishman","tag-shrink-wrap","tag-slk-electronics","tag-tesla-motors"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.7 - 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