{"id":8577,"date":"2014-01-10T08:54:33","date_gmt":"2014-01-10T15:54:33","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/?p=8577"},"modified":"2014-01-10T08:54:33","modified_gmt":"2014-01-10T15:54:33","slug":"ready-or-not-hydrogen-cars-are-coming","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/ready-or-not-hydrogen-cars-are-coming\/","title":{"rendered":"Ready or Not, Hydrogen Cars Are Coming"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Toyota will sell hydrogen fuel cell- powered cars in the United States in 2015, Bob Carter, senior vice president of automotive operations for Toyota Motor Sales (TMS), USA, Inc. claims, emphasizing, \u201cFuel cell electric vehicles will be in our future sooner than many people believe, and in much greater numbers than anyone expected.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Despite there being only 10 public hydrogen fueling stations in the US, with nine of those clustered in and south of San Francisco, and only one on the east coast, Toyota claims that they will be installing up to 100 additional stations in the Golden State in the next decade.\u00a0 Already, 19 are under development, 20 more are \u201cexpected\u201d in 2015, and the state has allocated $29.9 million for further infrastructure creation.<\/p>\n<p>Carter is upbeat, telling an audience at the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wired.com\/autopia\/2014\/01\/toyota-hydrogen\/\">2014 Consumer Electronics Show<\/a> in Las Vegas, Nevada, \u201cStay tuned, because this infrastructure thing is going to happen.\u201d<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_8578\" style=\"width: 538px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/TOYOTA_FCV3.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-8578\" class=\"size-large wp-image-8578\" alt=\"With the exception of the floating hood, Toyota's FCV Concept looks fairly conventional\" src=\"http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/TOYOTA_FCV3-528x398.jpg\" width=\"528\" height=\"398\" srcset=\"http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/TOYOTA_FCV3-528x398.jpg 528w, http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/TOYOTA_FCV3-300x226.jpg 300w, http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/TOYOTA_FCV3.jpg 1280w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 528px) 100vw, 528px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-8578\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">With the exception of the floating hood, Toyota&#8217;s FCV Concept looks fairly conventional<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Toyota showed off its <a href=\"http:\/\/www.toyota.com\/fuelcell\/?srchid=sem|bing||BrandCategory_FCV|Hydrogen_General_E|FCV+Launch|FCV_MLP\">FCV Concept <\/a>and an engineering prototype that\u2019s been tested on North American roads for over a year.\u00a0 The prototype has performed as promised, going 300 miles on a \u201cfill-up,\u201d and doing 0-60 in \u201cabout\u201d 10 seconds.\u00a0 \u201cRefueling\u201d takes about three to five minutes.\u00a0 Typical of fuel-cell-powered vehicles, the prototype emits only water vapor.<\/p>\n<p>Its fuel cell stack demonstrates a power output density of 3 kilowatts per liter, with an output of 100 kilowatts (134 horsepower). \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0Calculations give us a compact 33 liters (1.16 cubic feet) volume for the stack &#8211; about the size of two breadboxes.<\/p>\n<p>Toyota\u2019s high-efficiency boost converter increases the fuel cells\u2019 output voltage and reduces the size of the motor and the number of fuel cells, making for a smaller, lower cost and better performing system, according to Toyota.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_8579\" style=\"width: 538px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/Toyota-FCV-Concept-drivetrain.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-8579\" class=\"size-large wp-image-8579\" alt=\"Underside of FCV Concept shows fuel cell stack and orange hydrogen fuel tank \" src=\"http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/Toyota-FCV-Concept-drivetrain-528x350.jpg\" width=\"528\" height=\"350\" srcset=\"http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/Toyota-FCV-Concept-drivetrain-528x350.jpg 528w, http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/Toyota-FCV-Concept-drivetrain-300x199.jpg 300w, http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/Toyota-FCV-Concept-drivetrain.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 528px) 100vw, 528px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-8579\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Underside of FCV Concept shows fuel cell stack and orange hydrogen fuel tank<\/p><\/div>\n<p>According to <em>Green Car Congress<\/em>, \u201cCarter said that Toyota\u2019s investment in fuel cell R&amp;D over the last 20 years has been \u2018massive\u2019. \u00a0Since 2002, Toyota has been testing and developing a series of prototypes in North America. In those 11 years\u2014and more than a million miles\u2014it has significantly reduced the cost of building a fuel cell powertrain. Toyota estimates a 95% cost reduction in the powertrain and fuel tanks of the vehicle it will launch in 2015, compared to what it cost to build the original prototype in 2002.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>If one takes a Honda Clarity, a comparable fuel cell vehicle reported to cost $1,000,000 per copy and drops that to five percent of its original unattainable realm, a $50,000 price tag would be in the mid-luxury car range.\u00a0 Although not a loss leader at the dealership, the car\u2019s reduced fuel and operating costs would make such a vehicle an attractive long-term investment.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_8580\" style=\"width: 538px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/Toyota-FCV-prototype-20-625x438.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-8580\" class=\"size-large wp-image-8580\" alt=\"Hydrogen tank is capable of resisting 70 megaPascals pressure (10,150 psi)\" src=\"http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/Toyota-FCV-prototype-20-625x438-528x370.jpg\" width=\"528\" height=\"370\" srcset=\"http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/Toyota-FCV-prototype-20-625x438-528x370.jpg 528w, http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/Toyota-FCV-prototype-20-625x438-300x210.jpg 300w, http:\/\/cafe.foundation\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/Toyota-FCV-prototype-20-625x438.jpg 625w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 528px) 100vw, 528px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-8580\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Hydrogen tank is capable of resisting 70 megaPascals pressure (10,150 psi)<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Despite Toyota\u2019s decades-old commitment to electric and hybrid vehicles, Bob Carter explains that, \u201cToyota has been in the automotive drive-battery business for a long time. We love batteries. We are the world leader in hybrid electrics. That dedication to battery technology will continue. But compared to battery-electrics, the rate of cost reduction we have seen in fuel cell-electric technology has been staggering. That\u2019s why hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicles will be in our future sooner than many people believe and in much greater numbers than anyone expected.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>With recent weather patterns possibly in mind, Toyota claims that, \u201cA fully-fueled vehicle will be capable of supplying enough energy to power a house for a week in an emergency. Engineers are currently looking to develop an external power supply device that could be used in this manner.\u201d\u00a0 This mirrors Nissan\u2019s recent demonstration of six Leafs to power their research center.<\/p>\n<p>Since the FCV will be introduced in California, Toyota has been working with the University of California Irvine\u2019s Advanced Power and Energy Program (APEP) to locate hydrogen fueling stations in sites that can be reached within six minutes by owners.\u00a0 Their initial map showed the need to build 68 stations in the San Francisco\/Silicon Valley area and Los Angeles, Orange, and San Diego Counties.\u00a0 These could service about 10,000 fuel cell vehicles, according to ADEP\u2019s conservative estimate.\u00a0 What drivers will do who want to go <i>from<\/i> LA to the Bay Area is not reflected in the report.<\/p>\n<p>Neither is even the simple infrastructure cost implied per vehicle.\u00a0 Hydrogen stations currently cost $1 million to $5 million per unit, with 68 totaling between $68 million and $340 million.\u00a0 That makes the bare-bones cost per vehicle up to $34,000, possibly generating a push-back from tax payers.\u00a0 Whistler, British Columbia is <a href=\"http:\/\/www.hydrogencarsnow.com\/blog2\/index.php\/hydrogenbuses\/whistler-fuel-cell-bus-fleet-calls-it-quits\/\">disbanding its fleet<\/a> of 20 fuel cell buses, citing high costs.<\/p>\n<p>Different groups are working on reducing the cost of delivering hydrogen and this will probably be a crucial factor in expanding such networks in the future.\u00a0 For now, clean driving will be limited to a 150-mile radius of any of the few available stations.<\/p>\n<p>Depending on the source, a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.hydrogencarsnow.com\/blog2\/index.php\/infrastructure\/cost-of-hydrogen-fueling-infrastructure\/\">nationwide network of hydrogen refueling stations<\/a> could range from a dauntingly high $500 billion (Argonne National Laboratory) to a low of $4.1 billion (Rocky Mountain Institute).\u00a0 Even the low number would imply a small number of hydrogen stations compared to conventional gas stations.<\/p>\n<p>This may not be a problem. \u00a0California has 9,500 stations for pumping gas, but only 500 for delivering Diesel fuel, for instance.\u00a0 Jetta tdi drivers rarely complain about range anxiety.\u00a0 500 hydrogen stations would give H2 drivers a similar freedom to roam.<\/p>\n<p><em>Hydrogen Cars Now<\/em> reports on a domestic manufacturer\u2019s take on the problem, with an even lower cost estimate. \u201cLarry Burns of General Motors has a different take on how much it will cost for a nationwide rollout of hydrogen fueling stations. According to Burns, \u201cA network of 12,000 hydrogen stations in the United States would put 70 percent of the U.S. population within two miles of a fueling station. If the stations cost $2 million each (estimates for the cost of a station range from $1 million to $4 million) the network would cost about $24 billion.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>With Toyota, Honda, and Hyundai all pressing on with real-world hydrogen vehicles, it will be interesting to see if infrastructure development can keep up, and at what cost. \u00a0These developments will spread into general aviation possibly more quickly than we can anticipate, with ultralights and motorgliders already exploiting this resource. \u00a0As auto makers craft better, lighter and more powerful forms of this power system, aviation will surely benefit.<\/p>\n<div id=\"facebook_like\"><iframe src=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/plugins\/like.php?href=http%3A%2F%2Fcafe.foundation%2Fblog%2Fready-or-not-hydrogen-cars-are-coming%2F&amp;layout=standard&amp;show_faces=true&amp;width=500&amp;action=like&amp;font=segoe+ui&amp;colorscheme=light&amp;height=80\" scrolling=\"no\" frameborder=\"0\" style=\"border:none; overflow:hidden; width:500px; height:80px;\" allowTransparency=\"true\"><\/iframe><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Toyota will sell hydrogen fuel cell- powered cars in the United States in 2015, Bob Carter, senior vice president of automotive operations for Toyota Motor Sales (TMS), USA, Inc. claims, emphasizing, \u201cFuel cell electric vehicles will be in our future sooner than many people believe, and in much greater numbers than anyone expected.\u201d Despite there [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[15,14],"tags":[2135,4679,4680,4686,4687,4681,906,4685,4683,4678,4682,4684],"class_list":["post-8577","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","category-electric_powerplants","category-sustainable_ga","tag-argonne-national-laboratory","tag-bob-carter","tag-consumer-electronics-show","tag-honda-clarity","tag-hydrogen-fuel-network","tag-las-vegas-nevada","tag-nissan-leaf","tag-nissan-research-center","tag-rocky-mountain-institute","tag-toyota-fcv-concept","tag-toyota-motor-sales-tms-usa","tag-university-of-california-irvines-advanced-power-and-energy-program-apep"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.7 - 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